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     Juerg Senior Member Username: Juerg Post Number: 2568 Registered: 04-2006 |
Well reality and newer research proof the opposite. Here from a top athlete and I wonder how long it may take till so called "Pro's " understand more than just biking hard. " We have lost a few seconds in the end but the result was good, the team is good and I'm feeling good, although I had the impression that I had a little trouble to breathe with this heat " | ||
| Juerg Senior Member Username: Juerg Post Number: 2569 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hmm I thought 250 watts is always 250 watts. Here a reality check from a Pro As often happens to me after an extraordinary ride like yesterday, today I paid for my efforts. I was already not brilliant at the beginning of the stage. These things happen in cycling; we're not robots." Hmmm may be he has a Limiter as well and just simply does not know which one it is so they can't recover accordingly or slow down a little bit before they kill the limiter completely. Now here the answer from a real Pro " he has some inof on limiter and compensator: "As much as I wanted to stay with the Contador group, I knew my limits on the last climb. I lost it a little and after that I decided to ride tempo; 14th on the stage and sixth overall is beyond what I ever expected, so I'm happy." | ||
| Jeffcap New member Username: Jeffcap Post Number: 3 Registered: 11-2009 |
If breathing is a limiter, what might one of these pros do today to specifically rest/recover the limiter that might be different than regular general rest/recovery/regeneration? Or how might one recover the other specific limiters? Thanks, Jeff | ||
| Juerg Senior Member Username: Juerg Post Number: 2570 Registered: 04-2006 |
Thanks for that input. Answer is very simple. What does a Ice Hockey player has to do , when his dribbling is not good enough in the game. We'Ll go and train it before the season starts. So if this Pro's would get a proper assessment done not based on wattage and on VO2 max but on actual limiter than they could in the month prior to the tour train the limiter so that he is not that clear of a limiter. Nevertheless there will be a limit and the key is to know the limiter so that you not run it down in a stage race and the next day you are out for the full race. ( See Chavanell at the tour. The key is to push the limiter so hard that the recovery time is still long enough to get the limiter recovered. Summary : Train the full team but as well train the limiter on their own to pick up the lag they are behind. In case where the respiratory system is or may be the limiter you have to assess where the weakness is. is it respiratory coordination ( insp / exp ) Is it a limitation in diaphragm strength ( endurance ) is in case of pushing limits the TV dropping which creates a hypercapnia and therefor a specific recovery breathing after the stage can result in a much faster recovery as the body can control the pH change caused by the respiration over a faster recovery with respiration rather than over the buffer in the kidneys A proper assessment of the respiratory habits ( Ventilation , perfusion ) can lead to a different positioning after the race in the room for recover ability of the respiratory system. An old idea ( Drainage position from the early 1920 ) This ideas disappeared due to influence of drugs and pharmacological ideas many of this team doctors still have. But that is a very different problem. Respiratory parameters can dramatically be change over long term structural training. One to p rider at the tour had at the beginning of respiratory structural training a VC of 5.6 and now is above 8 L. Using lactate the classical way will do nothing but using lactate the FaCT way will tell you at what intensity or HR the limiter kicks in and now you can go and assess, who the limiter at the current moment is. | ||
| Juerg Senior Member Username: Juerg Post Number: 2571 Registered: 04-2006 |
This is an example of respiratory intervention with some specific ideas we tried out.  K L M steps where the same wattage 300 watts with different results due to the intervention as you can see.. N O P three steps by 320 wattage with the same ideas. Green is total Hb or Blood volume. red is oxyHb and blue is deoxy Hb |