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     Juerg Senior Member Username: Juerg Post Number: 2601 Registered: 04-2006 |
You always hope a race is as clean as it can be. Is the tour clean. Well let's hope but it is unlikely that it is completely clean nor will it be ever completely clean as there is always a "grey" line on what is looked as drugs or not. I had over the last few days a lot of calls from Journalist and they always asked the question and where hoping for a straight yes or no. Most of them would not take the time to really try to understand the bigger question of drugs. So who cares. Here a short take for the inside readers on our Forum. EPO or Drug responders and non responders. Many experts agree this days that the "limitation" for a higher performance is the supply of O2 to the working systems. As you can see ,here we already differ to the exports because we say working "SYSTEMS" the expert say to the working muscles. The muscles are only one part of the working system and that's where the power or wattage is getting "produced" That the power can be produced in the muscles we need some very great supply systems. Now the first system in a healthy person , who will loose the ability to perform is the one which is least needed to survive, which unfortunately or fortunately ends up with your legs. ( I just did not had the legs today )Breath less legs !!!! Now, If we supply EPO or any oxygen enhancing drug to the body we can avoid the early kick in of the ECGM which than reduces the risk , that a vasoconstriction ( Dempsey ) or a reduced recruitment of motor units ( Noakes ) will kick in. So if we give "O2 " we can longer supply the muscles with O2 because the other systems are happy ( maintaining of pO2 ). Most of this top cyclists spend enough ( often too much ) hours on the bike so the muscular systems with capillarization and mitochondria density are very well trained and developed. So in most of this cases the extremity is rarely the limitation. So what is it: Well one of the other systems like respiration / cardiac or tissue O2 extraction due to other problem ( nutrition ) So in athletes, where the vital organs reach a limitation EPO will work great. In athletes , where the Vital organs are well trained EPO will have very little benefit if any. The heart and respiration are not at limit and the limiter is the actual muscle system on its own . There is always enough O2 delivered but it can't be used. There is a very easy test for that we did and I showed it before once on the Forum. As most of the top riders have their limitation in the vital organs they show a great improvement on EPO or Cera. Most of the team physiologist don't care about vital organs nor do they believe that we can train them.So the solution was very simple. If you like to be able to hang on with the best you have to improve your O2 supply . There is no way to train that so you have to work pharmacological. What you do you try it out and see the ratio can easy go above 6.3 and you are up with them and can win. Here once more our case study where we manipulated the O2 supply at same wattage and we easy could improve performance. If the vital organs where the limitation we had immediately a better performance and we could see TSI % increase but as well oxyHb.  By 1800 sec and or K the performance (300 watt ) stayed the same for 9 min and you can see clearly where we manipulated the O2 situation. By N we did the same again with 320 watts. Than by QRS we did it again by 360 watts. Every time we had an immediately better performance. In this case we knew that the limiter was Cardiac. So to train his muscle for a higher ability in the O2 dependent zoning with a higher muscle contraction we need to have a better O2 supplier. Well that's where using EPO and Cera in the off season or during the 2 years you are banned ( Basso and Vinokurov ) could come in handy as nobody will test you than anyway. So you will be able to improve your muscular system very nicely . What you do not improve is your Vital systems so as you go and ride " clean " the effect is much less as the muscles could get more wattage out but the O2 supply is not there anyway. You wonder whether we see in this tour some big names actually riding clean and that's what they can do really and properly and show still a great ability to finish a tour. How much performance can you loose as a pro in a year by traiing properly . Assuming Contadors performance was not as good or ( cleaner ) as last years you wonder how his big rival from last year could loose so much time ( crashes excluded ) Just some loud thinking . So back to many of the top experts : Respiratory is never a limitation is one of their ideas and they " proof " it with the not applicable test of MMV ( maximum Minute Volume ). They do not know how to train respiration as they don't take the time to check it out. Even more behind is the idea of specific cardiac training and therefor it is pushed or organised by simply using wattage or ratio wattage to body weight. The wattage to body weight ratio this year at the hill stages where interestingly much lower than before and it is in a range Ryder can push since many years and see, he suddenly can hang on with the top guys . Not that he is much better, but they seem to push less wattage. Why? The advantage Ryder has is that his limiter is his muscles , which is very easy to work on and there are some very new ideas out there how we can stimulate a better TSI % extraction and a better blood volume change. The next step is simply to convince some traditional thinking team managers and exercise physiological guys to at least take the time to give it a short and fair objective view and review before simply just use some Titles and names to convince us, that they are right. We are not right but we try to find some answers and for the moment the answers we get from our research is more convincing than the traditional Wattage and wattage ratio ideas I see popping up all over . They don't give an answer, they just simply give a number. | ||
| Juerg Senior Member Username: Juerg Post Number: 2609 Registered: 04-2006 |
let's hope . " . San Millán has previously worked with Spanish teams including ONCE and Saunier-Duval, as well as Astana in 2007. While a number of his former employers have been beset by doping scandals." As a team physiologist you would think he had or has some control.He suppose to test this athletes daily for any bio markers. How can an athlete get missed by this rigorous testing internally or did somebody just simply messed up with teh cover up protocol. ??? Here the latest out of his time with Saunier Duval. " Lobato Elvira raced with Acqua & Sapone, Domina Vacanze and Saunier Duval before being named by the UCI." Lobota retired 2008 and at that time was riding for Saunier Duval. The Team doctor at that time was ??? You sometimes have to ask the question : How come that a person with a back ground and connection in this area is getting picked up by a Team ( garmin ) who writes all over the banner . Clean sport for us. Let's really hope it is going in that way. Mr Vinokurow , riding for Astana and got banned had a team doctor as well. Who was it at that time ??? | ||
| Rene Junior Member Username: Rene Post Number: 9 Registered: 09-2009 |
very interesting insight. Thanx Juerg for sharing. | ||
| Juerg Senior Member Username: Juerg Post Number: 2635 Registered: 04-2006 |
It is hard to believe , that in the top rank Doping is really taken serious. If you can rub a Bank and than two years later can basically choose by which bank you like to be the CEO than something is very strange to say the least. It is very strange , that you can cheat to actually bring you up in value and business, as you never proofed that you can ride strong clean. As long sponsors and directeur sportive where dopers and than take over teams and than take over former dopers it is hard to believe that cycling is cleaning up itself. Riis and this here is even more strange. Vacansoleil also chasing Riccò By: Hedwig KrönerPublished: August 12, 10:45, Updated: August 12, 10:52 The controversial Riccardo Riccò (Flaminia) attracted a lot of attention on the start line view thumbnail gallery Italian climber courted by at least four teams Dutch team Vacansoleil has confirmed its interest in signing Riccardo Riccò. The Italian climber is currently negotiating with several teams after having bought himself out of his Flaminia contract for 75,000 Euro. "There are about four teams interested in him as far as I know," Vacansoleil team manager Daan Luijkx told the Telegraaf. "And we are one of them." Other than the Professional Continental team, the Belgian Quick Step outfit of Patrick Lefevere has also confirmed that it would consider signing the controversial rider if its sponsor gives it the green light. Riccò was handed a two-year doping ban in 2008 after testing positive for CERA at the Tour de France. He returned to competition in March of this year and won the Tour of Austria in July." |