Post Number: 56
|Posted on Friday, May 07, 2010 - 11:04 am: |
So a couple of my track athlete's set PB's in the 800 earlier this week and then today for fun ran 400's at another meet and set PB's again...we're now two weeks out from the "Big Meet"...due to a bit of worry/panic (on their part) of not being prepared I let them decide what we would do over the last 3-4 weeks and it's mostly been functional speed work and things are progressing nicely...we have 2 weeks until the "Big Meet"...we really don't have a clue as to what their limiter in the race is...is it a cardiac or resp. limitation...is it a metabolic limitation (demand too high for supply)...is it a neural/co-ord limitation...they asked me today if we should fine tune or do any different workouts to maybe pop off another PB (which I'm pretty sure is going to happen based on their feelings on the race)...at this point, I'm not sure and feel that maybe we should simply continue with the couple of workouts we have been doing with adequate recovery...any thoughts or input would be great...mainly to settle a wandering mind...
Post Number: 149
|Posted on Saturday, May 08, 2010 - 04:59 am: |
Hey Dan.. highly interesting question. It's gonna be difficult to diagnose obviously without data. How many people are you training?
The more there is, you might want to compare their current times with their previous PBs, and isolate the few individuals who have improved the least and observe them (and quiz them) about what they are feeling in the workout. Or maybe even do an incremental test with them.
It's very difficult to determine where the weakness is without any of the equipment because if the athlete isn't perceptive enough, they'll always think it's the legs (CGM will recruit less muscles in the periphery in the event of a respiratory or cardiac weakness). But even if they are able to determine that their RF is suddenly increasing and TV decreases, as Juerg says, that might be due to the cardiac system (and the respiratory system tries to maintain the central venous pressure), etc etc.
So yeah, just pull aside those who haven't improved that much and observe them! That's what I would do in absence of any equipment or data.
Post Number: 57
|Posted on Saturday, May 08, 2010 - 06:52 am: |
Hey Art...I've got a group of about 10 kids...now everyone's PB'd this year, some set some big PB's other's just a bit...the kids have different levels of commitment to the program, and I put a lot of their training into their own hands (it's their responsibility to get it done especially the structural stuff)...one of the two I'm talking about in the post above is also playing soccer at the moment, so we're very careful with his training and focussing on recovery...he's only doing two workouts a week and they're shorter than the others...I've done some simple ramp tests with them and the Bioharness and I'm going to do it again after the season...like I mentioned above, we've just been doing functional speed stuff over the last few weeks and maintaining the structural...just wondering if any of the former Track coaches of reallly big Swiss clubs on the forum have any tricks up their sleeves;)...