Post Number: 1
|Posted on Monday, November 16, 2009 - 12:15 pm: |
We are already poking fingers with out lancets, why not start doing the ears...?
Interesting point regarding the efficacy of Acupuncture. Any thoughts on this? wonder how it would effect athletes in other endurance sports.
Had a comment from a guy about not really caring about endurance training in Muay Thai fighting the other day. Any thoughts/studies on this. My reply was that if you can improve your overall cardiovascular endurance you would be able to then improve the strength and speed components in a linear fashion similar to how we change performance lines. But this was from a guy who still believes in training prescription from CSEP with relation to training based on 85% of Vo2 etc... Not going to be able to change his tune nor would I want to try, one tough cookie, 3 fights 3 wins, by knockouts within the first round. I'm sure he'll come knocking once he meets a match that tests his endurance.
Post Number: 2095
|Posted on Monday, November 16, 2009 - 02:41 pm: |
Three questions, the last two for discussion over many month with no end. So let's start with the easiest question and your own answer.
get lactate from the ear?
Answer, Yes it is a good idea and for some sports possibly the best.
Rowing for example , as the grip on the or is often at high intensity so strong , that we may have a problem with the result.
The finger has the advantage, that you can easy take it on your own finger if a client chooses to test himself.
Nevertheless even if you test yourself you will be able to learn the skills to take it from the ear with closed eyes.
My son is doing this for his blood sugar in a dark room if needed. Just all about practice.
Problem with the ear is , that sometimes it keeps easy bleeding and during biking and or running you have a problem to keep a piece of cotton or paper there and much easier to do that on the finger.
Again anything you can avoid a bloody mess is great. If you take it on the3 ear use a liquid bandage spray to stop bleeding immediately if they run or swim or row.
Post Number: 2
|Posted on Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - 10:49 am: |
Actually Juerg, I wasn't really suggesting we sample lactate on the ear, it was more of a tongue in cheek suggestion relating to the use of acupuncture and taking lactates.
I wonder about the efficacy of performing acupuncture on endurance athletes. Would it help them to better utilize O2? or tolerate pain of acidosis and muscle fatigue?
Just a few thoughts.
Post Number: 2099
|Posted on Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - 02:14 pm: |
John , Thanks and as you can see your Tongue and cheek even produced potentially some answers to a very common question.
I can remember the heavy fight between lactate testers, who argued , that the lactate can only be taken on the ear for the "real " values.
This started out as soon there where the first point of care lactate tester out there.
Herb an I introduced them to the north american market with the Accusport lactate tester originally from Boehringer Manheim.
Once the Lactate Pro was introduced we had the next opposition on the line who collected blood from clients over mail order and than tested it in their lab. It took this group a while to understand the value and the accuracy of the lactate pro. Nevertheless they proposed over some time , that only their lab was the accurate one. They are not alone and we all have the weakness, that when new ideas and great ideas come in we are afraid of competition and changes. Whether the denying of this trend is of much value is questionable. We have a great example in Vancouver. As so called researcher with a Ph . D took about a three minute look ate the physio Flow and his fast "professional " respond was. This never works.
Well there are many smart in that case they worked over 30 Years and still working hard as one of their life achievement of Father and son. Their equipment is now used in many European hospitals and helps to assist during operation, setting up pace makers and assessing reaction of medication.
So good luck to all future students of this young Ph.D teacher ,in the goal to learn open minded research ideas.
Acupuncture and efficiency is a hot and ongoing topic and NIRS is now as well used to see Oxygenation respond after acupuncture treatment. I will get some studies for you to see how they try to use this technique for more objective information's.